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  What level of IQ does one have, to beleive " TRUTH " changes. ? or old "Light " old truths " New Light " new truths " ?

  by smiddy in

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  okay, i never went to university , or had a college education, though i`m damn sure that "truth" is "truth" and it never changes.. if you" beleived "something was the truth in the past and now found out it was not correct , you cant say it was an" old " truth ,it must have been wrong/false reasoning in the first place......so it was never really the truth.. sure you can be aware of a "new" truth something you never knew beforehand , though whether you knew it or not ,it has always been a truth.

  example:the earth was the centre of the universe ,beleived as a truth.........that beleif was false , it was not an old truth.. if their was something you beleived before as true and you now find it wasnt true , then it was false / untrue .. their is no such thing as an "old truth " and a "new truth" that is apparently accepted by jehovahs witnesses .. if jehovahs witnesses were as honest as they profess , then they would acknowledge when they make adjustments to their beleifs/doctrines that they were wrong in their initial understanding of said scriptures instead of passing it off as old truths or new light.. i was a witness for 33 years before it became obvious something was just not right with this religion and it took another 10-12 years before i found this site , that set me free.

  so i ask , is it an iq level ?

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  Yearbook 1927 reports... so racist and ignorant!!

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  brazil.

  necessarily in a catholic and priest-ridden country,.

  wherein the greater part of the population possess a. small degree of intelligence, the giving of the witness is.

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  Education furthers rational discourse. Brazilians in this era were deprived of it. The literacy rate was nearly zero. If no one trains you to think, if you are raised in superstitious ingorance, then you will have trouble associating ideas. Associating ideas is the halmark of intelligence. You're wearing your Hispanic feelings on your sleeve.

  Within the historic context, this isn't racism.

  In any event, it's a misdefinition of racism. Being Brazilian isn't a race. It's a nationality. You're also confusing a portuguese or part portuguese or native ancestry with a Hispanic one. They aren't the same. No Brazilian wants to be identified with Spain or those of spanish ancestry.
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  Yearbook 1927 reports... so racist and ignorant!!

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  brazil.

  necessarily in a catholic and priest-ridden country,.

  wherein the greater part of the population possess a. small degree of intelligence, the giving of the witness is.

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  American English is a varient of the English language. Ask anyone from the UK if we speak their brand of English. In the mid 1920s only upper-class Brazilians were educated. Most Brazilians existed a step beyond serfdom. Don't read current conditions into the past. This isn't racist. It's fact as it was in 1927. A remedial course in South American social history would serve you well.
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  HELP. ELDERS COMING TO TALK WITH THE FAMILY

  by Thoughtless in

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  so after the annual meeting, on sunday, the elders want to talk with my family.

  i do not like this one bit.

  perhaps i am being exposed.

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  The belief that you're obligated to talk to them exists only in their head. Go sit in the car if you do not want to participate.
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  Photodrama of Creation: two versions?

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  it seems to me like there are two versions of the photodrama of creation: the one where it is just slides, and the one where there are the slides, plus songs, plus short movies such as noah sending the dove out of the ark.... does anyone know where i can find the one that has the film parts?

  i am wanting to see the part of the time-lapse.... .

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  The slide and film version was the original eight hour drama. A Eureka drama was slindes only and the slides were not hand colored. There were separte expanded or altered Drama versions for Poland and Germany in the post World War 1 period.
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  What kind of scandal would cause most JW to leave the "truth"?

  by Iamallcool in

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  Few leave over a scandal of any sort. It takes a personal crisis, an eye opening moment ... or being kicked out on your butt.
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  What Assembly were you baptized at...

  by vilot in

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  i was baptized at the 1976 "sacret secret" dc at inglewood ca there must have been 50,000 people there..

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  At a "zone assembly" in Portland, Oregon in 1948. Baptized in the Sandy River. First Convention was United Announcers in 1944. They've been naming them at least that long.
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  Ray Franz blamed for 1975 false prophecy

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i was raised a jw and as a kid my family made brief mention of apostates in bethel that falsely prophecied about 1975 and were kicked out of bethel.

  i was shocked after i got out and learned that him being removed had absolutely nothing to do with 1975. i think that partial lie spread is what kept my relatives in.

  1975 a big let down/false prophecy, then they are told that a governing body member and many in bethel are found apostate and cleaned out, etc.

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  I did not like Ray Franz. The reasons are personal. But, he is the only one of the Governing Body to have apolgized immediately after the event. For that, I had huge respect for him. I wish I still had the tape. He spoke to a large gathering in the Pacific Northwest in 1977 as I recall.
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  Ray Franz blamed for 1975 false prophecy

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i was raised a jw and as a kid my family made brief mention of apostates in bethel that falsely prophecied about 1975 and were kicked out of bethel.

  i was shocked after i got out and learned that him being removed had absolutely nothing to do with 1975. i think that partial lie spread is what kept my relatives in.

  1975 a big let down/false prophecy, then they are told that a governing body member and many in bethel are found apostate and cleaned out, etc.

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  Fred Franz was the responsible party. Witnesses would be better off today if he'd been disfellowshipped for apostacy.
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  Anyone have a transcript of the Photodrama of Creation?

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i would love it if someone had a transcript (a text of the spoken words in the video) of the photodrama of creation!.

  that would be amazing help in my little project!.

  (i already looked in the search function in jwn... didn't find anything)... if someone knows about a thread, that would be appreciated.. thanks!.

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  Old Goat

  There was no video. It was a slide show with short bits of silent film. The text of the syncronized recordings is in the Photo Drama book. The slide show is found on youtube. The book has been reprinted. Originals show up on ebay.